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Fri, Jan. 9th, 2009, 01:00 pm Dialects (US)

This has been bumping around in my head for a while, but I've only been pushed to write about it today. Everyone speaks a different dialect, and everyone is fluent in that dialect.* Everyone. Things that sound funny in one dialect, such as what we consider our standard dialect, are not necessarily "ignorant" or "uneducated." We decide that people are uneducated when they speak with a heavy non-standard English accent because we teach our standard dialect in schools, and we use it in formal writing. However, people who have strong identities with their home region or culture are more likely to avoid using the standard dialect, even though they may have learned that their way of speaking is "incorrect." I'm not going to touch on all assumptions made based on dialect, and there are quite a few, but rather focus on issues of intelligence and education levels as percieved by dialect. I am writing mostly on classism and racism in regard to dialect, and the US Politics section is more of an introduction, so if you're unfamiliar with US politics, you're not missing much if you skip it, but it should be quite accessible. re: US Politics One of the biggest things that got on my nerves during the presidential election was how even the people defending Sarah Palin from sexist attacks, even though they did not support her politics (which is honorable and I really praise everyone who stood up for a candidate they did not support in the face of unfair treatment), still made fun of her accent. And okay, perhaps that's not one of the biggest things, but it did bother me a lot. She speaks her local dialect. She is not from the midwest. She sounds a little funny to you. She sounds normal to herself and everyone around her. It's othering to make her somehow less for speaking the way everyone in her language community speaks. Edit: I've been corrected on this. Please see the comments. This same attack is used on Bush. Goodness knows he makes a number of linguistic errors (easy to find on the internets!) but his pronunciation of 'nuclear' is a normal dialectal thing. I used to say it that way, which is odd considering where I grew up -- I'm pretty sure I picked it up from TV -- and I know plenty of people who pronounce it that way. It's just a dialect thing, not an ignorance thing. People transpose letters in words all the time -- consider "comfortable." In all dialects I've heard spoken this word is usually pronounced "comfterble," even though the r should happen before the t! (Not that pronouncing it 'com-fort-a-ble' is wrong in those dialects, it just sounds stilted.) Politicians are expected to take on what was basically arbitrarily decided as the standard dialect. Bush and Palin are supposed to speak with a perfect midwest accent. I feel like I remember Bill Clinton switching between accents, too, but I could be mistaken. This is 'normal' and 'right' but if a politician from the northeast were to assume a southern drawl when visiting Texas, people would see that as 'fake' and even 'condescending.' This says a lot about how we feel about class, and how language and dialect determines which class you belong in. If you're not from the right region, you'd better educate yourself on the right way of speaking or else you're a dimwit! Which segues nicely into the next section: re: classism and racism Generally speaking, most people feel it's wrong to make fun of a foreign-born person in the United States for having an accent. However, we do not seem to have a problem with labeling people uneducated or stupid for the same, provided they were born on US soil. How many times have you heard that Ebonics isn't English? That black people just need to educate themselves and speak real English? Or, as I saw in a comment at Hestika today, a particular word is pronounced a certain way or else, where the particular word in question is a common example from BVE (Black Vernacular English)? Or even, "if they want to speak to me, they can speak real English?" I've heard these more times than I care to, and while I always speak up -- and use my credentials as a linguist to back me up -- it doesn't seem to stem the tide very well at all! BVE and Standard English are both languages/dialects that have grammatical rules for sentence structure and pronunciation. But they are more different from one another than Spanish and Portuguese. What is perfectly grammatical in one is highly ungrammatical in another. Moreover, what is the prestige language in one language community might not be so prestigious in another. (Consider why people either make conscious efforts to change their dialect if they move to another part of the country or why they don't. Consider why they revert back to their native dialect when visiting home or why they don't.) And sure, going through the school system, you're going to get the standard dialect taught to you, or at least you'll be taught in the standard dialect, and you'll hear it on the television. But imagine how hard it would be to learn to read and write and perform in school in any area if you were in a classroom where everyone was speaking a language related to yours, but still a different language! So here it's cyclical in nature. We say that people who speak this "language of the ghettos" are uneducated, we other them. But we don't teach to them, we teach at them, and we don't give people a social reason to want to learn, at least not one that makes sense during your first grade English classes. But more than that, more than just which dialect is prestigious, which dialect will get you better jobs, it's a form of discrimination based on socio-economic class. It's not really a region thing, as communities all over the US speak BVE or a form of it. It's based not on the region where you grow up, but the conditions in which you grew up -- an inner-city white child is as likely to learn it as an inner-city black child, but it's still associated with blackness, and in turn associated with ignorance, poverty, lack of education, and a lack of a will to learn. The difference between a dialect and a language is purely political. Serbia and Croatia basically speak the same language with a few minor difference, but their languages are considered different languages because there is a country's border between them. Spanish and Portuguese are more similar than standard English and BVE but no one questions that those are different languages. Yet China has mutually unintelligible dialects, but these are dialects because they fall within the same political borders. It's the same with English, and the sooner we realize that the sooner we can properly communicate with one another. And I think we all have a lot to learn. *I understand that there are a few, very rare cases of a person who ends up switching languages while very young and as a result is a native speaker of neither, and thus does not have native fluency in any language. None of the examples in my post deal with people who would fall into that category. I also am generalizing quite a bit and do not mean to speak for any individual's particular circumstances. Fri, Jan. 9th, 2009 07:45 pm (UTC)
venefica_aura
defending Sarah Palin from sexist attacks, even though they did not support her politics (which is honorable and I really praise everyone who stood up for a candidate they did not support in the face of unfair treatment)Oh god, the Palin-bashing was something that made me very uncomfortable throughout most of the election, and other things, to the point where I stayed out of every political argument and got really mad a few times and into some arguments anyway with RL people. I didn't mind the stuff where they disagreed with her poltics--this is fair, this is what you are supposed to do with politicians. But too much of it got dangerously close to classist and sexist overtones that I became really disappointed in people. I mean, how fifth grade was some of that? Though I heard just as much disturbing stuff about Obama. It's really tiring some days being an Independent. I'm so glad the election is over, you wouldn't believe. And oddly, I never got that certain accents were "ignorant" until I went to college, because I was the odd one out as far as dialects went in my school (my parents were from Northern Ohio, and I learned to speak from them, I went to school and suddenly everyone had a different accent, it was odd). It was something that always rather annoyed me. You see it in movies too--accents can often dictate the class or moral standing of a character. How many randomly British-like accents do you see on villains? Or southern accents on Evil Capitalists? But tl;dr, nice post, I agree with several points! Fri, Jan. 9th, 2009 08:07 pm (UTC)
icca

Not tl;dr at all! Especially since I'm hardly ever online anymore so we don't chat on IM! Yeah, this election was rife with...vitriol against the othered. I also really loved the sexist remarks on Palin that came from her supporters. That was all kinds of messed up. At least I can understand why opponents would want to resort to cheap insults. Whatever. It's over. Thank goodness. Fri, Jan. 9th, 2009 08:11 pm (UTC)
venefica_aura

I don't IM so much either, journaling everyday is just something I've made a habit, more for myself than anyone else. Always nice to see a post from you! Mon, Jan. 12th, 2009 07:01 pm (UTC)
duckbunny

Accents, and how they're perceived, are interesting. I, a Brit, don't hear a midwest accent or a Texas accent or a ghetto accent - I hear an American accent. But when I hear a 'British' accent on an American TV show, I hear an affected, aristocratic drawl, usually done by an American who isn't quite getting it right. I'd guess that you wouldn't hear a West Country accent or a Brummie accent or a Geordie accent, just a British accent. It's also interesting that British English and American English are two different languages, despite being mutually intelligible, but Geordie and West Country are both 'accents' of English, despite the fact that a broad speaker of either won't be understood by most non-speakers. "Why aye m'hinny' is hardly standard English. Mon, Jan. 12th, 2009 07:22 pm (UTC)
venefica_aura

See, I can distinguish slight British accents myself (and I'm not talking about Hollywood Cockney either). Mostly because I've hung with a few Brits and talked to them. I probably don't have the ear for like, city-specific accents, but I do notice some more regional differences (out of London vs. in London, etc). But I'm unusual. Most people I know just lump all. I had a professor from New Zealand, so he helped me figure out the difference between it and Australian, but it seems related to exposure. ~Cendri

As someone brought up with a native speaker of Yorkshire dialect, I relat very strongly to this, and to the points in the OP. Although, I am very strong on recognising accents - I can pick out quite a few distinct USAian accents, and most British accents (even Glaswegian!) I can interpret fairly well. That glib "even Glaswegian!" brings me to the anecdote I wanted to relate. Glaswegian is a comedy staple as the "unintelligible accent", and of course there are some accents that are comedy staples in other ways. I recall a lesson in "Life Skills" at secondary school that was about not judging people by their accent. The teacher played us a video prior to a class discussion about the issues raised in the video, and during the video towards the end, there was a sequence of young people speaking to camera, each saying the line "People hear me talk and think I'm X, and I'm not!" (where 'X' was the stereotyped perception of their accent). On one of those, the boy on the video said, "People hear me talk and think I'm stupid, and I'm not!" and immediately one of the boys in the class called out in a mocking imitation of the accent, "Oh yes you are!" To her credit, the teacher immediately paused the video and challenged the boy on this assertion, challenging him to prove his claim. I think that was a very powerful teaching moment, although I'm not sure what anyone else in the class made of it. Sat, Jan. 10th, 2009 02:27 am (UTC)
drakonlily

We were JUST talking about Palin at work and the whole issue of half of her "faults" were pointed out because she was an arguably attractive female. Sad that such sexism happens because of that. I am really starting to love dialects. I say things like "cat" on occasion and it's hard when I go home and say things like "That cat is talking out the side of his neck" and people are like ... "Talking cats?" XD Sat, Jan. 10th, 2009 05:07 am (UTC)
gibbedman: the worth of a language
As I think about BVE and other dialects, I wonder about what it must have been like to speak English in a Latin world. I think about the crushing pressures of being and Englishman, conquered time and time again by Vikings, Romans, etc. "Why don't you speak a real language?" I'm sure Roman soldiers would say time and time again (to anyone who could understand them). English proved itself as separate and unique by creating poetry and literature that was appreciated by people who didn't learn English first. If there is an argument to be made for the use of mid-west English in politics, in theatre (maybe the same thing), in the business world, it is that it is connected in some greater way to the works written in that vernacular. Is there value in learning BVE? Is there really something worthwhile about learning the Queen's English? Yes, and that value is tied into the works that have been authored in them. As to how we go about learning these things, I cannot speak to how inner-city first-graders are taught, but this also is tied into that motivating factor: Shakespeare is laugh-out-loud funny to anyone to can understand his works, and other authors of all vernaculars have their own virtues (that can be understood, each at its own reading level) provided the vernacular is understood. Success, on a "I understood and enjoyed this work" level is its own motivator, and one that everyone can make his or her own. Tue, Jan. 13th, 2009 10:04 am (UTC)
snowdropexplodes.myopenid.com: Re: the worth of a language

Point of information: There was no such language as "English" until around about the 9th or 10th Century CE; before that there was the Germanic Anglo-Saxon (which is likely to have been a conglomeration of very different dialects when spoken, too, since the Angles, Saxons and Jutes who spoke it were all different tribes). Before them, the primary languages in the British Isles were two different dialects of Celtic - "Gaelic" (which is the basis of modern Irish and Scots languages), also known to linguists as "Q-Celtic"; and "British" (which is the basis of modern-day Welsh language), also known as "P-Celtic". These language variations had their own dialect variants stretching across much of Northern Europe. Tue, Jan. 13th, 2009 03:11 pm (UTC)
gibbedman: Re: the worth of a language
Isn't it funny that there wasn't an "English" language until right around the time Beowulf was written? Though I can't be sure which was the cause of which, I am sure they are linked. Because though I might not have been exactly accurate about who was conquering England, that's because everybody did, at one time or another. And though the language met by conquering Romans might have been Welsh or British or Celtic/Gaelic, you'd best believe Latin would have been the "prestige language."
Generally agree with your points, but I heard several times that Sarah Palin's accent is unusual, even by Alaska standards. It seems like a claim worth digging into, because I'm inclined to believe her syntax to be unique to her, also. (Note the Palinism, also.) It's almost as if she doesn't finish a thought before starting another one. I don't think it's an exemplar of a rebuke of dialects. On the other hand, I suppose it only takes one person to start a dialect. Mon, Jan. 12th, 2009 10:12 pm (UTC)
reconditarmonia

I'll second that. Even besides the bit about her total inability to form coherent thoughts - her accent/dialect is not her own. If you watch old news coerage from her tenure as governor and from the gubernatorial race, she doesn't speak the way she did in the 2008 election. It was put on to make her seem "folksy," and I think that opens it up to some poking-fun-at. Mon, Jan. 12th, 2009 10:31 pm (UTC)
icca

Interesting! I stand corrected then! Thank you! Mon, Jan. 12th, 2009 10:14 pm (UTC)
icca

Thank you for your response. To be clear, I'd not heard the term Palinism before -- is that like Bushism? -- but I'd heard comments that she sounded like a hick, or sounded like she was from WI, or that people just couldn't stand the sound of her accent. Those are the comments that my defense of her accent were coming to. That said, I'd also heard that she spoke in a manner unusual even among Alaskans, but I both suspect that there are a number of dialects in Alaska, as well as one considered the standard Alaskan dialect, and that saying she doesn't speak like an Alaskan is based also on the examples you cite: her manner of speaking, rather than the grammar and the phonology. Probably there's a little bit of distancing oneself from her as well. It seems complicated and I wish I knew more on the topic rather than just having to speculate. You might be right that she's not an example of people being biased based on accent, or at least not a good one. I'm still not so sure, though, since I feel that Bush is a pretty good example in that his dialect gets conflated with everything else that people cite as evidence of him being ignorant and stupid, when really it's not (or at least, shouldn't be) relevant. |